Despite the fact that dynasties did exist and that being born in the purple was considered prestigious in 2. In Melee, things get interesting. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Dismiss Join GitHub today GitHub is home to over 50 … It has a 50/50 chance of either Force Back (FB) or Pike Column Advance (PCA). The highly acclaimed Crusader Kings 2 Mod "The Commune of Rome". Contribute to loup99/WtWSMS development by creating an account on GitHub. Usually the battle never proceeds past the opening volley of the archers because the mass archers force the enemy into retreat mode and the heavies don't even engage. The big problem with defense is the large number of archers adds extra weight to Volley. With Praetorian:Shock, your tactics end up being 10% Adv, 22.5% S. Adv, 33.75% FB, and 33.75% PCA. It's set chronologically before its sister series, Europa Universalis, and uses a variant of the Europa Universalis II engine. Then I saw someone suggest a 6:1 Praetorian:Shock, so I ran the numbers and that performed far better. In conclusion, if you really want to use Praetorian Retinue, they aren't bad, so feel free to use them, in a 6:1 ratio with shock Retinue, but for min-maxing, defense is still the way to go unless your cultural Retinue are pure pikeman Else pure italian 400 PI would be superior out of the current list. Link to the Holy Fury Retinue thread for a lot of useful information: https://www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/9y0tgo/the_holy_fury_retinue_composition/. The themes or thémata (Greek: θέματα, thémata, singular: θέμα, théma) were the main military/administrative divisions of the middle Byzantine Empire. (Byzantine Empire). Sélectionnez votre dossier de mods CK2, si ce n'est pas celui par défaut (Documents\Paradox Interactive\Crusader Kings II\mod) 3. This release is save-game compatible with the previous version MAJOR: Compatibility with vanilla 2.8.2 Completed the The Varangians are of Norse origin with many of them coming from Scandinavia, those who have nothing to inherit in their homes usually found employment with the Guard and were able to find glory and pay by serving with the Emperor. In terms of retinue cap, it's same ratio as heavy inf, so not too expensive. © Valve Corporation. Final note: I don't really know the effect morale has on combat, and the Praetorian Retinue has big morale boosts (60% for the pikeman, 20% for the heavy infantry). CK2 Dev Diary #113 - Wonderful News Another small DD about the Wonders, along with the disclaimer that the Egyptian Religion will NOT be returning, at least for this patch. My guess is that Praetorians might end battles sooner by dealing more morale damage, but deal less casualties while taking more casualties, as compared to Defense. Po pograniu trochę czasu w CK2 uważam, że CK2 >>>>> EU4. Crusader Kings II is a sequel to the historical Real-Time Strategy 4X game Crusader Kings also by Paradox Interactive. In this Crusader Kings 2 Let's Play series we'll be doing a roleplay campaign as the Lusignan dynasty, meaning our actions must make sense for our character and his traits. CK2本体 3.3 2019/10/19 拡張パック Sword of Islam イスラーム勢力でのプレイが可能--Legacy of Rome 東ローマに関する拡張--Sunset Invasion アメリカ大陸からの侵略を扱う仮想DLC--The Republic 共和国でのプレイが可能、およびそれに Español - Latinoamérica (Spanish - Latin America), https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=749765306. All rights reserved. Can you achieve fame and fortune for your noble family, or will your names be forgotten to history? Made an elite 30k doomstack out of all that to serve as the personal army of the Emperor. June 2014: The beta groupis started, and in July a first release starts the closed beta phase of the mod with some testers and developers 3. The Praetorian Guard, and several formable legions as mercenary units. Contribute to loup99/WtWSMS development by creating an account on GitHub. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. So Defense not only performs better, you don't have to worry about RNG Advance tactic ruining your damage output. The official language of the army for centuries continued to be Latin but this would eventually give way to Greekas in the rest of the Empire, though Latin military terminology would still be used throughout its history. [CK2] Optimal Retinue Calculations If your cultural retinue contains the following don't use them. Every character in Crusader Kings II has traits, usually several. Eventually, their job was taken up by the Scholae Palatinae and (later still) the Varangian Guard. A couple notes regarding the numbers I ran: *I only calculated Skirmish 0-9. Playing similarly to the first game, with the player controlling the leader of a dynasty rather than acting as an abstract Non- … Praetorian HiJynx 16,584 views 1:19:22 The 10 Worst Rulers in Crusader Kings 2 - Duration: 11:35. The reason is that with the extra shock you hit just over 30% heavy infantry, boosting your chance to select shield wall in skirmish to a whopping 98.02% (243 weight). I initially tried 6:1 Praetorian:Defense, but it got stomped pretty hard. Crusader Kings is a historical grand strategy / RPG video game series for PC, Mac & Linux developed & published by Paradox Interactive. 3. My assumptions: Tech level 4, max rank Roman cultural building (+28% pikeman attack/defense), over 16 martial commander of Roman culture (gives PCA just like Italian), no call to glory (the bonus tactic is very strong defensively, but you cut your attack nearly in half. Nor is it very spammy like what you would need for LI, A, or P retinues. *Also, while I didn't factor in potential casualties affecting tactics, the 6:1 ratio between Praetorian and shock gives you enough buffer to lose up to 1/5th your archers and still fire shield wall, which was my requirement. April 2014: The original AAR with the mod is started by Enlil, playing as Soissons. In fact, there are a lot of things I … RealmHoldings is the number of holdings in the realm. A full army of pikemen is a terrifying thing to behold, and mixing retinues can lead to less effective tactics being chosen by your commanders so the general advice is to go purely one type of unit or one retinue type rather than mixing them. Had about 10 or 15 Praetorians in the center, along with a couple defense rets, put all the cataphracts on the left flank and filled the right with normal cav (I didn't get enough Cataphracts in hindtight, only got about 8 or 10 of them). At that point, just make the roman praetorian retinue which is 150HI 400PI. The Commune of Rome was a republic that rose up in Rome in the mid 12th century. June - December 2014: Continuous development and testing, multiple bet… The other three tactics perform far better and are thankfully more common, with S. Adv giving 6.67, FB at 7.37, and PCA at 7.78. so, without advance, you wouldn't peak as high as defense, but your average damage would be higher than defense. A Migrational Era Mod for CK2 . Broken Retinue Strategy - CK2 Holy Fury Tutorial - Duration: 22:36. Most efficient retinue, 2 defense 1 cataphract or 2 italian pike 1 Cavalry? Just as what we today label the Byzantine Empire was in reality and to contemporaries a continuation of the Roman Empire, so the Byzantine army was an outgrowth of the Late Roman structure, which largely survived until the mid-7th century. If this has a large enough impact, it might make Praetorians more attractive. The Varangian Guard are the bodyguards of the Byzantine Emperor, existing in all of the game's timeline except in 867 AD, where they need to be created. In the period after the Muslim conquests, which saw the loss … Here are some important milestones in the history of the mod: 1. If you want consistent results here, stick with Defense. And also taking into account percentage of favorable terrain for cavalry? Attendez que l'installation du mod se termine 4. The advance kills your damage output, clocking in at 3.88 dam/cap. I welcome any constructive criticism, anything you can see wrong with my math, or any questions anybody may have about my numbers and how I got them. More reliable tactics in melee, though praetorian has better skirmish survivability. This makes Praetorian:Shock far more reliable in getting through skirmish quicker and with less casualties. 7 The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. żeby nie trzeba było rozjebać wroga na 100% w wojnie aby przyjął warunki pokoju skoro i tak wiadomo gdzie zmierza wojna i przechylenie szali nie nastąpi), ale ogólnie to EU4 powinno więcej podpierdzielić od CK2. Crusader Kings II: Conclave - can I appoint myself Minister of Murder? A Migrational Era Mod for CK2 . I just use the generic Skirmish retinue with 50 heavy infantry/150 archers and mass them into the largest retinue I can muster. Both Slow Advance (S. Adv) and the dreaded Advance (Adv) tactics require heavy infantry, so they aren't even an option. It's a multiplayer campaign me and my 3 friends are doing. Overall conclusion unchanged. - Any with LI (including those with pikemen) - Any with HC - Any with horse archers - Only use archers if you You mean advance drops the average, right? They succeeded in kicking the Pope out of Rome (with the aid of the HRE The Romans disbanded the Praetorian Guard because the emperors to used their services kept, in CK2 terms, dying under suspicious circumstances. Po pograniu trochę czasu w CK2 uważam, że CK2 >>>>> EU4. Elephants are debatable. Rank is 2 for Counts, 3 for Dukes, 4 for Kings and 5 for Emperors. In the case of nearly pure like Retinue, you still don't reach the absurd percentages of Praetorians, but you eliminate most of the Volley chance, and overall pikeman have more defense than the heavy infantry of pikeman. Gladsome Praetorian Another Stone Upon The Monument May 16, 2019 #16,252 I think this Komneniad game is off to a good start, so far. One has formed Russia, one has formed Mali and the last is trying to piece together France after some nasty gavelkind. Sadly, defense drops the weighted average dam/cap of Praetorian to just 7. Sélectionnez le mod "When Engage in courtly intrigue, dynastic struggles, and holy warfare in mediæval Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, India, the steppes and Tibet. I also did calculations on survivability, and defense beat praetorian here too, but like damage, it was close. The Scholae Palatinae (literally "Palatine Schools", in Greek Σχολαὶ, Scholai), were an elite military guard unit, usually ascribed to the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great as a replacement for the equites singulares Augusti, the cavalry arm of the Praetorian Guard. I haven't played with Italians or Scots yet so I dunno how good they are, I was just saying what I went with. This AAR will later be split between one mod threadand one AAR thread 2. żeby nie trzeba było rozjebać wroga na 100% w wojnie aby przyjął warunki pokoju skoro i tak wiadomo gdzie zmierza wojna i przechylenie szali nie nastąpi), ale ogólnie to EU4 powinno więcej podpierdzielić od CK2. Nie jest perfekcyjnie i CK2 mogłoby kilka mechanizmów podpierdolić z EU4 (np. That's why Italian/Scottish pikes with a defense thrown in perform better than both of these. Fallout 4 tribal mod.Crusader Kings is a historical grand Turn-Based Strategy / Real-Time Strategy4X game produced and published by Paradox Interactive. 2. When you reform rome you will have the ability to adopt roman culture. The Age BuildingBonus comes from specific buildings: 1. Potentially useful when dramatically outnumbered, say against China). New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the CrusaderKings community. TL;DR: it's close, but defense is still likely the way to go. Long story short, I am attempting to form the Roman Empire as Byzantium, or rather, press my claim against the Catholics' wills. Defense had a weighted 7.33 damage/cap here, with PCA giving you 7.83 dam/cap and FB giving you 6.83. Considering Cataphracts have been hot garbage since Horse Lords and Italian Pike is the second best retinue in the game (Scottish pike being best) go with the Italian pike. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Technically you could add one more Praetorian and get up to 7:1 and still get all these tactic numbers, but you don't have much of a buffer for casualties. Complex interaction between the WRE, the Pope, and the rest of the Catholic world Many new events, decisions, and traits How to … Also make the cultural retinue the praetorian guard (with a corresponding event announcing its re-founding). This is compared to Defense which has a 69.15% (27 weight) chance. Training Grounds in a Castle give 20 cap per level. 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