At Dressrosa, when Law, Sanji and Luffy fought Doffy, only one didn’t face Doflamingo: Zoro. Top 5 easy. Why? This deep cut will cause the scars in the shape of a cross that Luffy wears on his stomach. Luffy stretched his arm, going to punch Kuro, who dodged to the side, barely missing the hit. It was first used against the Kraken, to cut one of its tentacles and divide it into six pieces. The most recent point of comparision are Vergo and Pica, where an injured Sanji fought on par with Vergo and Zoro got stalemated hard by Pica until he got distracted and Zoro was able to take advantage of that thanks to Orlumbrus (and I know you said that we can't directly compare them, but Vergo being Doffy's most trusted subordinate he should be at least at the same level as Pica). Was it a one off technique or is it his ultimate trump card we can only wait to find out but I believe its safe to say that if he doesn't bring it out now then we will never see it again. Another proof that Zorro couldn't use Haki at that time is that he was able to cut through Daz Bone's metal (which is actually possible with enough skill), but he couldn't cut through Enel's lighting (impossible without using Busoshoku Haki). The first defense i always here yo this Sanji was also willing to die for Luffy however while true it ignores the everything that happened to get to that point. Luffys clash lasts a little longer Luffy attacks Fuji He declares if must be pirate King he must defeat all of the admirals and the yonko. Luffy and Zoro have never been portrayed as equals post-Whiskey Peak, and Luffy wasn't exactly in his right mind during that fight either. Chap 5 Misunderstanding. Dec 7, 2020 #54 DiscoZoro20 said: No. Next Zoro defeats Hody the big villain of the arc and even defeats him at a disadvantage. His body convulsed from the pleasure that hit him. But overall, we're not that far apart, but to me the sticking point is that they were never really close enough to call equals. ... Apoo did drop luffy and had Zoro try to run off with him. This lead me to two conclusions . Both of these fishmen go on take enough steroids for both of their hair to turn completely white. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. [OP QUIZ] How well do you know Whitebeard Pirates? "Go, Zoro… I would actually say zoro is stronger. That’s why there wont be any conflicts between Zoro and Luffy, instead Zoro will respect Luffy more because Luffy endured the pain without his nakama comforting him. Lucci was above Luffy at the time let alone Zoro. Enma was never a direct power up and certainly not large one like gear 4th being the same grade as Shisui that could never be the case. 1.Ashura was a one off technique and is no longer a part of Zoro's arsenal. The chiefest among them being that Oda hadn't thought of it being used for combat at that time. Zoro had to break his limits vs Mr. 1. Bounty Collected Here we see zoro ,sanji (in namis body) and brook all knocked out seemingly defeated but things are much different in context. At first glance, the fruit would seem straight out useless, but after witnessing how amazingly Luffy utilizes it, fans might realize that there is … Now while those opponents were all decisively weaker than both of them, what this can be taken to mean to me is Zoro is comparable to non Gear 4 Luffy (stronger imo) which IS pretty much what you said, and your argument then solely rests on whatever Zoro's top end technique is making up for not one, but two massive gulfs in power, which imo, is a bit unrealistic. Roronoa Zoro (ロロノア・ゾロ, spelled as "Roronoa Zolo" or "Roronoa Zollo" in some English adaptations), nicknamed "Pirate Hunter" Zoro (海賊狩りのゾロ, Kaizoku-Gari no Zoro), is a fictional character in the One Piece franchise created by Eiichiro Oda.Zoro is in fact top 5 swordsman in all anime.. So if Zoro was against them, Oda would have made Zoro win against them somehow like he did previously with Zoro’s fights such as Mr.1 or Monet. → Zoro then gets lost. Zoro had a harder time against Mr.1 than Sanji had with Mr.2, Kaku and Jabra were basically equals. If you want discussion, please sort the subreddit by New. Not only does Zoro agree but even wants go up against Fujitora for a 3rd time Zoro wants the smoke. Fujitora was also a lot more prepared then, and his dialogue re Zoro suggests that he didn't even expect Zoro to be able to throw a flying slash. → Zoro meets back with Luffy. People really need to rewatch/reread Alabasta. If most posts about Zoro's strength were like this, then this sub would be better. That was the first time to see a character besides the high/top tier to counter an Admiral, the strongest forces of Navy and also the moment Oda showed that Zoro is not a pushover for a top tier. He also later asks if leaving the crew is such a simple thing. Ulike Luffy was gets injured. And now when everyone claimed things such as Zoro is way weaker than Luffy, he is one of the 5 members of Worst Generation to face not one but two Yonkos. Well I hope I've convinced u by this point that Zoro and Luffy are basically equals so far well except for one thing. luffy will always be stronger than zoro no matter what, that doesnt take anything away from zoro. Now obviously in the case of the former this does mean Luffy> Zoro for sure big gap. The sword had cut Luffy's inner thigh, thankfully a few inches away from his manhood. [OP QUIZ] Can you put these characters in the correct camp, Marine or Pirate? If you've just set sail with the Straw Hat Pirates, be wary of spoilers on this subreddit! However in Zoro's case she is not allowed the opportunity to attempt trickery. And the moment Zoro faced Doflamingo and was ready to attack him, Oda brought Fujitora a guy who hate Warlord more than anything to stop Zoro. Kuma healed Luffy, meaning that wasn't truly all of Luffy's pain and fatigue. There is the moment where Doffy kicks Fuji and the man doesnt even budge. Therefore, Zorro's ability to sense those rocks was not Haki. Even if you believe that they were equal at Whiskey Peak which I don't b/c that whole fight was just a joke then Ennies Lobby should have set you straight. Why are you comparing our boys!! Luffy attacks Hyouzou We even cut back to him showing that not only did he withstand luffy he had retaliated in that same moment luffy calls Hyouzou strong. In today’s list, I will be talking about the top reason why Monkey D. Luffy is dying, what has shortened his life so much and what is going to happen to him.. 1. There is also the potential of a truly powerful opponent. Sanji and Luffy have both mastered these to the point where its a completely natural part of their everyday combat arsenal. That would mean Zoro's most powerful attack has basic Gear 4 capabilities, which is honestly a pretty reasonable thing to say. Fuji was more prepared for Luffy and didn't expect much from Zoro. What made the fights interesting were the powers of those SC. Later, Luffy wakes up to take a piss, to find all the people who fed and entertained him and his Crew slaughtered and dying. Sanji was busy in the kitchen and Luffy was busy with Usopp and Chopper, so Zoro was left to explain what had happened. Where is the suspense? In fact, they were getting annoyed by the cat pirate's antics as he continued to disappear into thin air. Zoro and Luffy's Opponents in the New World, Zoro and Luffys first direct comparisons in the new world come right out the gate in fishman island where Zoro and Luffy both have interesting interactions with their final opponents of the arc. The gap only widened after Alabasta even, once we started adding the Gears to the mix. Anonymous. With gear 4th Luffy goes from being too weak to do damage and too slow to keep up with Doffy to basically dominating him across the board. I wish I had more time to really go through but yea. I think Zoro is loyal to Luffy for a couple reasons, Luffy saved him from being executed. Because that time in Amazon Lily, Luffy realized that if his brother is dead he still have his crew. Of course, because this was only filler, it's not the true origin of Luffy's scar. If Zoro is losing out physically (emphasis on physically) against any Commander at any point, even if he grows to defeat them during the fight, it likely means he wasn't as strong as Boundman at this point in time, so that's something to watch for. No featured entries match the criteria. Even in their delusion. That was an amazing feat because only few people are capable to do that only with their raw strenght. Zoro‘s speech is brought to a climax when he tells Luffy that if he goes on to humiliate himself and still pretend to be his leader, then Zoro will be the one to leave the crew. I'd say Luffy would need a variation of Gear 4 to beat either of the two though. The real reason Luffy is stronger than Zoro is his experiences on whole cake Island. Who gave you permission to pass this hill?" still 7 hours I wish I am close to Onigashima. OOOOOO, Zoro really shows his dedication to luffy on episode 377. you'll see what i mean when you get there. When Zoro attacks luffy he leaves a scar and it looks alot like his X scar Zoro manages to bend his body and swing the swords in the form of an inverted "S" shape while performing a vertical spin, slashing the opponent six times simultaneously so fast that he did not seem to move at all. first of all rubber is weak against sword, if zoro can cut steel, why cant he cut rubber? I mean, yeah Luffy and Zoro fought each other's opponents, but they were all so weak compared to them that they don't really make for a good comparision tool. SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER..... i don't understand why some people think zoro is stronger than luffy , luffy is the captain , it would defeat the whole purpose of him being the captain , who has ever heard of a second in command being stronger than a first in command , i want to point out that zoro's dream is to surpass mihawk and luffys dream is to be the … Theory spoiler. I'd love to see what those fights would look like now really. Oda made Pica a walking mountain size golem. It has a solid defense and a sharp offense, sharp enough to easily cut stones. Now the fact thing is in wano Zoro does acquire a power up in the form of Enma however notice he says once he's gotten used to it. sabo, monkeydluffy, luffy. So strenghtwise, Zoro was always next to Luffy that’s why Oda choose them to stand together front of Yonkous. Ashura has become his greatest trump card. Zoro later clashes with Fuji again when he blocks Luffy and Zoros Path. Law and Sanji got defeated by Doflamingo, so Zoro facing him and taking a L would have been normal considering Luffy was Doflamingo’s main opponent. I was reading the volume 69 again and I didn't understand why Zoro didn't cut Monet at first. As Koushirou said A true swordsman controls what he cuts. The strongest swordsman in the world and the pirate king are gonna be the two strongest individuals. Zoro sliced Luffy's chest and ended up giving Luffy an X shaped scar. Oda could have ended this fight as he did with King vs Sanji but no, he made Zoro to counter Fujitora’s gravity while Zoro was suffering by the gravity and pushed Fujitora few meters back. What follows is the most dominating feat we've seen from zoro so far traumatizing monet to the point where she couldn't reform her body. There are many factors as to why Rayliegh didn't. First there is enma which not only allows him to master armaments but it is also its stated that Zoro could potentially turn enma into a black which would indeed be substantial point of growth. This is clear example of Zoro's raw power even with 1 sword he is able to push back an admiral. Moreover, he says that in the future they can’t trust a guy who leaves the crew on a whim, such as Usopp. And as fans all know, it grants Luffy the properties of Rubber. Next Zoro defeats Hody the big villain of the arc and even defeats him at a disadvantage. “Lu-ahhh-ffy how did you~ohhhh learn all this?” he was trembling. He's said that many times himself. It was finally during an overpowered and surprising attack that he took his captain by surprise. Zoro and Luffy are equals and always have been. Luffy answered for the both of us. Although this is perfectly good evidence for the most part, I think there is enough evidence in Wano alone to suggest that Zoro will play a significant role in killing Kaido alongside Luffy. At this point, Zoro decided that he had enough, and he channeled his focus, and with a Shishi Sonson, he managed to cut through the body of Mr. 1. Posted by 1 year ago. 7 HATED: Didn't Cut Tashigi Now i do believe Sanji was alot closer to zoro during the pre time skip but there are 2 events that set them apart clearly. But imagine if they switched opponents. He didn’t beat Yonko Commanders but he faced 3 Supernovas, an Admiral and Oda gave him a special treatment such as beating the strongest swordsfishman, cutting a mountain size golem and defeating a logia without even touching her.We can clearly understand that Oda didn’t make any mistake until now with Zoro’s strenght. In Kuri, Zoro is going to Flower Capital and wondering am I close? [OP QUIZ] Can you recognize all these female characters? So Zoro, naturally, kills most of the Bounty Hunters. "Because I'm amazing that's how!" In Act II: → He meets Yasu and the rest of Ebisu town. But that was pre timeskip. Despite getting pinned by Fuji's fruit Zoro manages to send out a flying slash with just 1 sword enough to push Fuji back Zoro strikes back. Zoro defeats Hody underwater In fact the only reason Hody manages to keep going is by taking more steroids fed to him by his subordinate. At the end of the story the gap between them won’t be big. Here is a picture showing the scene: You know why? Sanji shares neither a dream nor profession with Zoro. No matter how much you want to hype up Zoro, you should never forget that he's a subordinate and Luffy's the captain. [OP QUIZ] Do you know everything about Skypiea Arc? Zoro pulled back his sword to cut, but Link did a wave with the Fire Rod, which created a blast of fire, engulfing Zoro, but to Link's surprise, Zoro had regained his other two swords, and deflected the fire with the 1080 Pound Cannon, which sent the fire waving right back at … With Fujitora it's a bit more complicated, but you have to remember that when Zoro attacked Fujitora he wasn't really expecting the attack, meanwhile Luffy was shouting his every move at the top of his lungs and Fujitora was more serious about the fight in general. He goes for Luffys body and who is first person back on his feet defending luffy? Now let’s talk about Wano. A rivalry like theirs can only exist if both rivals are extremely close to each other. Enma was never a direct power up and certainly not large one like gear 4th being the same grade as Shisui that could never be the case. second of all when the bear guy transfer all of the passed out luffy's pain and tireness to zoro, zoro is still standing, even WITH all the damage zoro received before, meaning zoro is much more durable than luffy And the moment Zoro faced Doflamingo and was ready to attack him, Oda brought Fujitora a guy who hate Warlord more than anything to stop Zoro. For all intents and purposes, it has been how Zoro's gotten stronger, the same way the Raid Suit has been Sanji's reluctant avenue to more power. We'll assume you're ok with this, but you can opt-out if you wish. He won all his fights without getting serious or injury. But that couldnt be further from the truth. Zoro was the first one to ever defeat another member of Worst Generation. Archived. It covers the weaknesses of a swordsman and boosts their striking power, a perfect suit for Zoro. But in the case of the latter Zoro may well be closer to Luffy than we think. One of them mutters something about Zoro being the cause of this, which enrages Luffy. Twice within dressrosa Zoro clashes with Fuji , the first time it was Fujitora defending Doflamingo from Zoro's attack Darn u Fuji preventing us from seeing and overlap of opponents between Sanji and zoro for the first time ever. So, he got a wasp when he expected an ant, basically. – popular memes on the site ifunny.co bruh, oda gave us the weakling trio for a reason. They are the future Pirate King and World’s Strongest Swordsman, so it’s understandable for them to be front of two powerhouses. Luffy is superior to Zoro and right now more obvious with advanced armament and future sight. There's a lot of other things I want to address like Pica and Vergo but I will get to them another time. 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